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Star wars the last jedi was an incredibly controversial film however in this video I explain why its use of bathos and bad comedy ruined the film for me.
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Comedy wasnt what killed it for me, It was the ATTEMPT of comedy.
'All it was was one number,' the nuclear codes
I thought Banner leaping down and hitting the bridge without have Hulked out was lame. You could see the joke coming from a mile away. The fact that Mark Ruffalo is the drizzling shits doesn't help either.
I like the MCU but I hate the way now everything has to try and emulate the MCU whether it fits or not.
This is why I dropped Ancient Magus Bride.
2:03 you could say "that's an awkward place for a joke" XD
Sometimes dark & dramatic but funny is done really well e.g. breaking bad or all the Coen brothers films
"Wipe that concerned look off your face 3PO!"
Is literally his default unchanging permanent expression
Wait so the red guards death was humor? I feel so bad for that guy when I was watching the movie WTF is wrong with you guys
I think there is a way to have a sort of "bathos" moment in an otherwise tonally serious movie, so long as it's in character for the character making the joke.
Obi-Wan for example: He's always been a quippy type of guy, so when he makes a sarcastic remark to Anakin during their time in the Geonosis arena, it's funny but not disruptive.
Or Tony Stark in Infinity War: When he calls Ebony Maw "Squidward" at the beginning of the movie, it's funny but totally earned because that's just something Tony Stark would say.
I may have missed the mark here, but I hope that made sense.
They never should’ve brought Marvel Comedy into Star Wars
5:00 Yeah humor can work as a contrast for the darkness, a few moment of reprieve to allow the audience to care again, but that requires a specific kind of humor. Han's banter in the original trilogy is a great example of this being done right. The kind of situation humor that phantom menace tried with Jar Jar Binks and the sequels used plenty off however does not.
15:15 It's Rian Johnson trying to subvert expectations in every scene.
so basically The Last Jedi has bipolar disorder.
It feels like he didn't actually like the franchise he was given control of. If you're not right for it, don't do it. Even if he did it's just not apparent, the constant attempts at throwing every idea on its head was just terrible.
Star Wars: the last Bathos
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Every new movie is filled with bathos these days. Even horror movies that are supposed to be scary. The marvel movies are also especially guilty of this.
How would RJ react if told he's getting spaceballs 2 off the back of tlj? Would he even have the self awareness to be offended.
Just going to say I disagree (the parts that made me laugh did so, and the other parts, it didn't bother me enough to be a problem), and move on.
People always use that scene in ssving private Ryan as a funny moment I never really saw it that way.. it's more like it increases the sadness because you see Matt Damon lose himself for a moment and is no longer in the war at that moment but we know he is and worse yet we know whats coming to an extent.
I think one of the few jokes that actually fit well and improved the movie was when Luke did the whole "do you feel the force" with the leaf bit. Shows how interested he is in teaching Rey while also telling Rey "don't think you'll just get this on your first try"
I think the Luke and Rey story would have been better if their scenes started with her training and having a hard time with it.
wait until you see the mess that is The Latest Skywanker
Damn, this movie is broken in ways I didn't even know existed!
This issue of Bathos being inserted everywhere and not letting tension have its day is the Marvel disease that has infested every mainstream movies these days.
This entire video was incredible
Spoiler for Avengers Endgame
Imagine if in Avengers Endgame when it is revealed that Thanos didn't have the infinity stones when he snapped his fingers Peter Quill starts rap battling Thanos and everyone calls him Grimis and then Iron Man snaps his fingers and then dies and then coughs and is like "What you thought I died hah that would be dumb" and then walks off that's basically The Last Jedi in a nutshell
YOU KNOW NOTHING OF THE FLYING SLUG EMPIRE!
Even if the jokes weren't out of place, most of them just are not good at all. It feels like comedy written for children, almost as if the movie was directed by a manchild…
And yet EVERYONE has been letting Marvel movies get away with this bullshit for years.
Iron Man and War Machine save a bunch of people from a falling plane…. SIKE!! It was an empty shell that just got hit by a truck!
Ant-Man is having a serious touching moment with his daughter… NOPE we gotta ruin the moment with jokes about the step dad
Thor and company barely escape with their lives from Ragmarok's destruction and bask in the amazingness they just witnessed… RECORD SCRATCH here comes the comedic relief Rock Guy to ruin the moment.
And a million other moments more that i can't even force myself to remember
Oh but it's Marvel. They're allowed to shit out the most cookie cutter kiddie fare garbage and everyone will eat it up. Becausr they are "fun"
You just forgot that trilogy disney were designed for 10 year olds and idiots(and may be also for very VERY VERY naive people)
another evening for me in starwars therapy, (i have never studied writing) what are your thoughts on the killing admiral Akbar in a line of dialogue .
"you can't be a dark drama and also a comedy like Deadpool" when Deadpool is also a dark drama
The scene where Po prank calls the dude caused me to almost walk out, I remember thinking "Uh-oh, I'm not gonna be able to sit through this".
Oh i get it! The sequels are a joke!
This point is so spot on. My brother never like that movie for this exact reason. When we were walking out of the theater, I asked how he liked it and he responded with "I didn't like it. I was laughing the whole time. Star Wars has never made me laugh before." Not only do you have to have a consistent tone in your movie, if it's a movie so heavily dependent on other movies in a series, you have to match the tone of the series.
Im halfway in…. Did Disney interfere and Rian is taking fall?
Disney tried to make an mcu movie with a starwars storyline so they could push out yet another formulaic copy that has been proven to be just basic enough that children will love it, but adults might go and see it. And since even the mcu suffers from this, it was especially out of place in what is usually a much more serious starwars setting.
It's so unfunny it's a kids' movie
Yes. The overabundance of jokes killed this franchise for me. Well placed jokes would have been fine but I dont know what Disney thought but they fkd up the mood. I stop the franchise at the prequels and will say Jarjar Binks would the be best the sequel trilogy has to offer.
That joke about CP30s smile is so bad. They may as well have had Leia rip a big fart or something to give the bathos.
ROTS: Anakin gets crippled by Obi-Wan
George’s Version: “You were my brother Anakin!”
Disney’s Version: “Looks like you’re half the man you were before”
You know what is a joke? The new trilogy
I think it’s all subjective. The movie kept me invested, and for me, the mix of comedy and seriousness worked well. A few examples listed here didn’t really bother me:
1. BB8 crashing into the wall after Rey meets Snoke. If I remember correctly, at that point the movie is still ramping up to the climax, positioning the characters where they need to be, so I didn’t feel like it really detracted from an intense climax, because we’re not quite there yet. R2 does the exact same thing in Empire as the heroes are trying to escape in the middle of the actual climax, and that also doesn’t bother me.
2. Snoke bonking Rey on the head with the lightsaber. I took that to be him humiliating her, showing how much more powerful he was than her. So in my mind, even though it is humorous, it serves a purpose and enhances the scene.
3. The guard getting obliterated in the Kylo Ren/Rey fight. I don’t know, these kinds of over the top deaths happen all the time in movies, even Star Wars movies, so it didn’t feel out of place to me.
I will say that Leia’s Threepio joke doesn’t quite work for me – it didn’t really distract from the tone, but I just didn’t find it funny. Thing is, I think Star Wars has always kinda done this Bathos thing, whether it’s Han comedically running down a hallway to encounter stormtroopers and instantly turning around, or Threepio being disassembled and annoying everyone in the middle of Empire’s most intense scenes. Maybe Last Jedi goes a bit further than the other movies with it, but it felt pretty consistent with the other Star Wars movies for me.
Now I'm not saying that this video doesn't have any valid arguments and I agree that TLJ's weakest aspect is a tonal inconsistency. But something I feel like so many people are just irrationally upset about, is Luke throwing away his lightsaber. To me, it has never been just a joke thrown in there, it's very effective characterisation. Luke throws it away, because he doesn't care for it. Or rather, he doesn't care for being a jedi. We all expected Luke to be like the old Jedi warrior who saved the galaxy and who was the hero of the day, but things have changed since then. Luke has gone through multiple traumatic incidents and doesn't want to do it anymore and we get to learn about those later on in the movie.
Now I understand that a lot of people were remembering the old Luke and all of the cool stuff we had seen him do and wanted just a direct continuation of that. But I know I'm very happy that we got to see Luke experience a very new situation and see him tested in other ways than the last movies.
Interesting that you mention Thor 3. When your video started and you presented you thesis I immediately thought of Thor 3. I did not like Thor 3 at all specifically because of the bathos. It was just poorly done.